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	<title>Comments on: The ICC, Sudan, and the Crisis of Human Rights</title>
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		<title>By: James Nyawo</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-15918</link>
		<dc:creator>James Nyawo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ICC is a very good institution and should be supported. At the same time, I am a little bit concerned like many of its close relationship with the United Nations Security Council. The United Nations Security Council is a purely power based and political institution which should remain miles aways from the judical system. As you can see now, the Africa Union is not confortable with the fact that the Sudan situation was  referred to the court via a UNSC Resolution because the UNSC is not democratic at all. Those permanent -5 countries will always protect their own interests at the expense of international justice. Recently, it came out clearly that the UK violated international law by invading Iraqi, and do you think Mr Tony Blair will be send to the Hague? How about the recent revelations that in Occupied Territory of Palastine (OTP) the Goldstone Report about possible war crimes, do you think ICC will be involved even with the recent reports that the Israel Army took body parts from those killed in the conflict, I do not see Ocampo and his team leading in Telviv. Where does this leave us then? It leaves the ICC focusing on the poor states, the small fish like Kenya, Uganda Sudan, now maybe in Guinea !!! 

I am sure it makes sense to say the International Criminal Court is a court for the poor and developing countries

There is need for consistancy is the ICC is to maintain its status and global legitimancy as a &#039;gift of hope&#039; like former UN Security General once said. 

With double hope</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ICC is a very good institution and should be supported. At the same time, I am a little bit concerned like many of its close relationship with the United Nations Security Council. The United Nations Security Council is a purely power based and political institution which should remain miles aways from the judical system. As you can see now, the Africa Union is not confortable with the fact that the Sudan situation was  referred to the court via a UNSC Resolution because the UNSC is not democratic at all. Those permanent -5 countries will always protect their own interests at the expense of international justice. Recently, it came out clearly that the UK violated international law by invading Iraqi, and do you think Mr Tony Blair will be send to the Hague? How about the recent revelations that in Occupied Territory of Palastine (OTP) the Goldstone Report about possible war crimes, do you think ICC will be involved even with the recent reports that the Israel Army took body parts from those killed in the conflict, I do not see Ocampo and his team leading in Telviv. Where does this leave us then? It leaves the ICC focusing on the poor states, the small fish like Kenya, Uganda Sudan, now maybe in Guinea !!! </p>
<p>I am sure it makes sense to say the International Criminal Court is a court for the poor and developing countries</p>
<p>There is need for consistancy is the ICC is to maintain its status and global legitimancy as a &#8216;gift of hope&#8217; like former UN Security General once said. </p>
<p>With double hope</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-14987</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is healthy to have criticisms of the ICC and question it. However, it is also important to realize that the ICC can really be this force of international justice that serves as a strong, effective mediator in international conflicts. Just as Alex stated,

&quot; In the U.S., President Obama is in no rush to prosecute members of the previous Administration for what he recognizes correctly as torture and surely will not allow the ICC to do the job that the U.S. courts are unwilling to do.&quot; 

This is why we need the ICC to do what the US refuses to do, not only that, but hopefully have the US join the ICC one day. If the ICC can be this force of international justice and harness enough power, then other countries will follow suit. There have been many positive things that the ICC has done as well, especially in the case in Sudan. IJCentral believes that ICC&#039;s indictment of Omar al Bashir is indeed helping the Sudan. 

Visit www.ijcentral.org to find out more up to date information about the activities of the ICC. IJCentral is a resource of articles, blogs, discussions, and videos about the ICC. It would be another place to hold open discussions about Sudan and other activities of the ICC.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is healthy to have criticisms of the ICC and question it. However, it is also important to realize that the ICC can really be this force of international justice that serves as a strong, effective mediator in international conflicts. Just as Alex stated,</p>
<p>&#8221; In the U.S., President Obama is in no rush to prosecute members of the previous Administration for what he recognizes correctly as torture and surely will not allow the ICC to do the job that the U.S. courts are unwilling to do.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is why we need the ICC to do what the US refuses to do, not only that, but hopefully have the US join the ICC one day. If the ICC can be this force of international justice and harness enough power, then other countries will follow suit. There have been many positive things that the ICC has done as well, especially in the case in Sudan. IJCentral believes that ICC&#8217;s indictment of Omar al Bashir is indeed helping the Sudan. </p>
<p>Visit <a href="http://www.ijcentral.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ijcentral.org</a> to find out more up to date information about the activities of the ICC. IJCentral is a resource of articles, blogs, discussions, and videos about the ICC. It would be another place to hold open discussions about Sudan and other activities of the ICC.</p>
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		<title>By: Is the ICC&#8217;s Indictment of Omar al-Bashir Helping or Hurting Peace in Sudan? - The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-4778</link>
		<dc:creator>Is the ICC&#8217;s Indictment of Omar al-Bashir Helping or Hurting Peace in Sudan? - The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Africa. The AU&#8217;s non-cooperation with the ICC has already confirmed one of prominent Darfur expert Dr. Alex de Waal&#8217;s speculations and lends extra force to the others: One of the many tragedies in the ICC’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Africa. The AU&#8217;s non-cooperation with the ICC has already confirmed one of prominent Darfur expert Dr. Alex de Waal&#8217;s speculations and lends extra force to the others: One of the many tragedies in the ICC’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is the ICC&#8217;s Indictment of Omar al-Bashir Helping or Hurting Peace in Sudan? &#171; Sahel Blog</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-4767</link>
		<dc:creator>Is the ICC&#8217;s Indictment of Omar al-Bashir Helping or Hurting Peace in Sudan? &#171; Sahel Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Africa. The AU&#8217;s non-cooperation with the ICC has already confirmed one of prominent Darfur expert Dr. Alex de Waal&#8217;s speculations and lends extra force to the others: One of the many tragedies in the ICC’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Africa. The AU&#8217;s non-cooperation with the ICC has already confirmed one of prominent Darfur expert Dr. Alex de Waal&#8217;s speculations and lends extra force to the others: One of the many tragedies in the ICC’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-3104</link>
		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alex de Waal raises more concerns: In turn the fact that the Prosecutor was able to demand an arrest warrant against a sitting head of state, without the possible risks for peace and security being subject to debate at the UN Security Council, reveals a major weakness in the international architecture. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alex de Waal raises more concerns: In turn the fact that the Prosecutor was able to demand an arrest warrant against a sitting head of state, without the possible risks for peace and security being subject to debate at the UN Security Council, reveals a major weakness in the international architecture. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: To Africa, from New York&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>To Africa, from New York&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2009 March 17   tags: bashir, dafur, genocide, icc, international justice by jina   There has been lots of speculation, hand-wringing and other expressions of sincere concern since the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for the president of Sudan (see especially well-wrung hands here and here). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2009 March 17   tags: bashir, dafur, genocide, icc, international justice by jina   There has been lots of speculation, hand-wringing and other expressions of sincere concern since the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for the president of Sudan (see especially well-wrung hands here and here). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The ICC and the lesser justice? &#124; Jeune Street</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>The ICC and the lesser justice? &#124; Jeune Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de Waal (at African Arguments): The ICC arrest warrant against President Omar al Bashir heralds a new era for global governance [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de Waal (at African Arguments): The ICC arrest warrant against President Omar al Bashir heralds a new era for global governance [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kisame Grace</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Kisame Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to first of all thank Alex for the elaborate and i should say balanced article posted.

The warrant of arrest issued to the sitting Sudanese president has come to be perceived with mixed feelings on the continent and I would like to make my contribution in regard to the mixed feelings that have been invoked by the issuance of the warrant of arrest. .
 
First and foremost if the arrest takes place it would have set a very serious precedence on the continent and probably the autocratic leaders would definitely carry out their mandates of governance more cautiously in light of human rights abuses and in the protection of civilians and their properties. This explains why many of the leaders in Africa who are having similar conditions of gross human rights abuses in their countries are so very much against the arrest warrants because it dawns down to them that when this precedence is set next in line would be them.
 
To me this has merits that I felt I should highlight, point in case is that more good governance practices will be embarked on by many of the leaders on the continent, and the opposition parties will be more tolerated to operate with less prosecution of leaders and members of the parties and their activities.
 
African leaders will change their attitude towards the notion of staying in power till death do us part with government because they will realise that the more time spent in power the more likely one becomes susceptible to embark on coercive means and disregard of human rights in a bid to keep the preserve of power.  
 
However I do agree that Sudan is an isolated case that sees the big guys trying to prove a point to the small guys because all the northern and western powers are now like never before busy defending the warrant of arrest issued against President Omar Bashir and are forgetting so hastily that they were very silent last December 2008 as we transited into 2009 as the world witnessed the gross violation of human rights and miming of young innocent Palestinians children. Aid agencies were denied access to help the people caught up in the indiscriminate bombardment, United Nations schools and properties were destroyed and one would think that these would be the areas to seek refuge in times as desperate as these. This creates a mythology that as long as these acts of gross violation of human rights are in the interest of the countries that call the big shots on the international scene then it is fine for things to happen this way without question.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to first of all thank Alex for the elaborate and i should say balanced article posted.</p>
<p>The warrant of arrest issued to the sitting Sudanese president has come to be perceived with mixed feelings on the continent and I would like to make my contribution in regard to the mixed feelings that have been invoked by the issuance of the warrant of arrest. .<br />
 <br />
First and foremost if the arrest takes place it would have set a very serious precedence on the continent and probably the autocratic leaders would definitely carry out their mandates of governance more cautiously in light of human rights abuses and in the protection of civilians and their properties. This explains why many of the leaders in Africa who are having similar conditions of gross human rights abuses in their countries are so very much against the arrest warrants because it dawns down to them that when this precedence is set next in line would be them.<br />
 <br />
To me this has merits that I felt I should highlight, point in case is that more good governance practices will be embarked on by many of the leaders on the continent, and the opposition parties will be more tolerated to operate with less prosecution of leaders and members of the parties and their activities.<br />
 <br />
African leaders will change their attitude towards the notion of staying in power till death do us part with government because they will realise that the more time spent in power the more likely one becomes susceptible to embark on coercive means and disregard of human rights in a bid to keep the preserve of power. <br />
 <br />
However I do agree that Sudan is an isolated case that sees the big guys trying to prove a point to the small guys because all the northern and western powers are now like never before busy defending the warrant of arrest issued against President Omar Bashir and are forgetting so hastily that they were very silent last December 2008 as we transited into 2009 as the world witnessed the gross violation of human rights and miming of young innocent Palestinians children. Aid agencies were denied access to help the people caught up in the indiscriminate bombardment, United Nations schools and properties were destroyed and one would think that these would be the areas to seek refuge in times as desperate as these. This creates a mythology that as long as these acts of gross violation of human rights are in the interest of the countries that call the big shots on the international scene then it is fine for things to happen this way without question.<br />
 </p>
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		<title>By: doubting the icc. &#171;</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>doubting the icc. &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted in Africa, Conflict, ICC, Politics by sanstis on March 11th, 2009   Alex de Waal questions the ICC and current procedures: In turn the fact that the Prosecutor was able to demand an arrest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted in Africa, Conflict, ICC, Politics by sanstis on March 11th, 2009   Alex de Waal questions the ICC and current procedures: In turn the fact that the Prosecutor was able to demand an arrest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sudan and the International Criminal Court &#171; Africa Indaba</title>
		<link>http://africanarguments.org/2009/03/the-icc-sudan-and-the-crisis-of-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Sudan and the International Criminal Court &#171; Africa Indaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alex de Waal raises more concerns: In turn the fact that the Prosecutor was able to demand an arrest warrant against a sitting head of state, without the possible risks for peace and security being subject to debate at the UN Security Council, reveals a major weakness in the international architecture. [...]</description>
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