Comments on: Being a Kenyan http://africanarguments.org/2010/01/being-a-kenyan/ Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:01:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Chris Kopf http://africanarguments.org/2010/01/being-a-kenyan/comment-page-1/#comment-27008 Chris Kopf Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:44:48 +0000 http://africanarguments.org/?p=758#comment-27008 This is an important set of considerations.  I think L. Muthoni Wanyeki has framed the KHRC position brilliantly.  The consequences on refugees are very considerable, in addition to women's autonomy. This is an important set of considerations.  I think L. Muthoni Wanyeki has framed the KHRC position brilliantly.  The consequences on refugees are very considerable, in addition to women’s autonomy.

]]> By: Dave Mites http://africanarguments.org/2010/01/being-a-kenyan/comment-page-1/#comment-26819 Dave Mites Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:48:12 +0000 http://africanarguments.org/?p=758#comment-26819 Having to prove citizenship is pretty common all over the world but it seems that being a woman and not getting the citizenship following the proof of birth id different thank you for letting us know how hard it is. Having to prove citizenship is pretty common all over the world but it seems that being a woman and not getting the citizenship following the proof of birth id different thank you for letting us know how hard it is.

]]> By: Jeffrey Maganya http://africanarguments.org/2010/01/being-a-kenyan/comment-page-1/#comment-26752 Jeffrey Maganya Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:52:50 +0000 http://africanarguments.org/?p=758#comment-26752 Fact 1: The Proposed new constitution provides for the Kadhis Court; Fact 2: The Current constitution provides for Kadhis Court; Fact 3. The proposed new Constitution provides for abortion by "a trained health worker" when the "mothers life is in danger"; Fact 4: The current constitution does not recognize life at conception and thus does not deal with abortion; but abortion is allowed through statute when the life of "the mother is in danger" and can be performed by "any person" (penal code section 240: a person is not criminally responsible for performing in good faith and with reasonable care and skill a surgical operation upon any person for his benefit, or upon an upon an unborn child for the preservation of the mothers life..... also penal code 214 which determines when life begins: A child becomes a person capable of being killed when it has completely proceeded in a living state form the body of the mother…..) Fact 5: Denial of abortion under all circumstances happens in only four countries in the world. (Chile, El-salvador, Malta and the Vatican) Fact 6: Abortions will continue weather or not we pass a new law. Fact 7. If you manage to illegalise all abortions, when my child gets an ectopic pregnancy I will travel with her to Uganda or Tanzania and guess what-have a legal abortion. Fact 8. The clamour for the new constitutions was based on poor governance and human rights and not religious issues. And the new constitutions deals with these issues well. Is there something I am missing here? Why does it seem like in winning the Christian right is actually loosing. Fact 1: The Proposed new constitution provides for the Kadhis Court;
Fact 2: The Current constitution provides for Kadhis Court;

Fact 3. The proposed new Constitution provides for abortion by “a trained health worker” when the “mothers life is in danger”;
Fact 4: The current constitution does not recognize life at conception and thus does not deal with abortion; but abortion is allowed through statute when the life of “the mother is in danger” and can be performed by “any person” (penal code section 240: a person is not criminally responsible for performing in good faith and with reasonable care and skill a surgical operation upon any person for his benefit, or upon an upon an unborn child for the preservation of the mothers life….. also penal code 214 which determines when life begins: A child becomes a person capable of being killed when it has completely proceeded in a living state form the body of the mother…..)

Fact 5: Denial of abortion under all circumstances happens in only four countries in the world. (Chile, El-salvador, Malta and the Vatican)
Fact 6: Abortions will continue weather or not we pass a new law.
Fact 7. If you manage to illegalise all abortions, when my child gets an ectopic pregnancy I will travel with her to Uganda or Tanzania and guess what-have a legal abortion.

Fact 8. The clamour for the new constitutions was based on poor governance and human rights and not religious issues. And the new constitutions deals with these issues well.

Is there something I am missing here? Why does it seem like in winning the Christian right is actually loosing.

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